Liber Null & Psychonaut: An Introduction to Chaos Magic [Peter J. Carroll] on *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Two complete volumes in one. You are free to post anything you feel is relevant. Discussion is Liber Null and the Psychonaut: An introduction to chaos magic (PDF). Liber Null and Psychonaut has ratings and 69 reviews. I wish 20th century magical texts didn’t zoom into the whole “free love to shock the squares” thing.

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I created this subreddit to collect Psychonauts into a network and to share resources with them. The links here are things that meant something to me. You are free to post anything you feel is relevant. Discussion is encouraged and suggestions are always welcome. Liber Null and the Psychonaut: An introduction to chaos magic PDF nyll So here I am looking at something that seems silly at the best, but I’m curious about trying a new perspective on things.

I’ve never looked at a book about magic before. Honestly, I could care less, so it hasn’t been in my reality, but whatever, lets play. As I’m reading the book I realize I already psychonqut all of this stuff. Nothing is new, beyond the terminology. This is ok, because the book is relatable. But as I keep reading I get more and more frustrated. The author of the book does not grasp proper story telling. It feels like the book is a TL;DR version of the subject matter, which is frustrating.

I start to think, “I understand this stuff because I’m learning nothing new. But what happens when I bump into something new? How will I learn anything?

Liber Null and Psychonaut: An Introduction to Chaos Magic

About half way through the book it starts bumping into subjects I don’t know, or the nlul is too segregated from my own thought process that I can’t follow. Some of the vocabulary stops me on the spot.

I get tired, frustrated, thank myself for the experiment, and then move on. The author of this book doesn’t grasp causality, and without it teaching is hard, if psychonwut impossible, especially regarding a subject like this. First rule that should be at the very top of the book: You will not get very far if you psychonnaut others. The only way you frre get anywhere is if you walk your own path.

This books goal is to And frankly, I don’t know what the point of the book is. What is its goals? To demonstrate null ways things are done? To help solidify what one already knows? To show potentially better ways to perform the same task. Everything has causality; everything has a story. Without knowing its story you can’t truly master it.

And btw, it is only magic if you don’t understand it. If you understand it would you really think of it as magic? The way a story is made is basically you identify the thought process for why something was created, or why something was done the way it was. Technology is probably the easiest example as it is constantly changing, like building a new floor on a sky scrapper infinitely moving upward.


Technically, it is probably the most popular programming language. Why does it exist? What need did it fill? There was this programming language called C.

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It anr larger and larger, and more and more complicated. Not only will you not forget it even if you never use it but liner can understand why one pyschonaut use it or do it that way. The why is extremely important. In the book there is no story telling; there is no explanation of why one would do it that way. Without that explanation it is blind faith. You can’t walk your own path and do something someone else told you to do without at least explaining the reasoning for doing it.

Explain to me why! Without it no knowledge can be gained. And when I say no knowledge can be gained, I mean that if one reads this without knowing the subject matter they will be completely lost. Even worse, if they try to follow it then they at best will have large misconceptions as to the different details, which will push them multiple steps back instead of helping them walk forward.

A good example of this fuckup is Taoism.

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The dao was written in such a way that you understand it if you already know it. It does not go out of its way to explain why or how or much of anything.

People read it, look at the duality parts, and have a large misconception of what duality is. How many times have I heard, “You can’t change anything. An opposite will be created in its wake. Duality refers to perception. The world can be changed. In fact, it is changing all the time.

Can’t change the world? Maybe perception will not change with it, or there will be unforeseen consequences that are dualistic, but only if you don’t understand the history as to why the things are they way they are and blindly jump in fucking things up.

So what is with this book? What is the point? I’m not anti the subject matter, or specifically the book as a whole. Technically it is written far better than I ever could write a book. I just see the flaws in the authors ego. I see the authors perception in different ways, and it makes me want to explain the holes, the flaws, the mistakes, and most of all incur self improvement in the person who wrote that book.

That and I want a better explanation of this stuff. I’ve been studying the occult four about 4 years now. At times, this was to privatize the art, but mostly, it was to keep the mundane, ignorant, and feint of heart away from the abilities that Magick is supposed to impart.

In other words, you are suppose to get frustrated. So frustrated that you’re whole world breaks apart and nothing make sense or has any meaning anymore. It’s because, at this point, you pick your self back up and rebuild or you go crazy.


If you do hit this point, you have no directions to go but in circles or up. And you have a cleaner slate to work with. Then, you either rebuild, using the old and new pieces of information that you’ve picked up along the way, to make an ever more comprehensive worldview, or, you fall back into social conditioning and rejoin the blind masses and forget what you were even doing studying the occult in the first place.

Closed mindedness is one of the biggest hindering attributes of the masses. Because of it, we have bigotry, nationalism, outdated sciences, ect This closed mindedness is imparted to us from birth.

We grow up with our worldview and mental structures fundamentally flawed. The techniques in this book aim to destroy your conditioned mind and empower your intuition. Because, as it was with the shamans of old the first occultists who were able to make, at least, some sense of the unseen, when you don’t have a blind biased idea of what things should be, you see them for what they are, not what you think nulp are.

Keeping a healthy, unbiased viewpoint allows you to grow intellectually and spiritually unhindered by black and white “morals” and basically eliminates the abhorrence of things that don’t fit into our schema. Carol gives us quite a few ways to make the breakdown on purpose ranging from the gentle methods of dedication to meditation techniques allowing us to slowly unravel the frde meaning of things, to the extreme methods such as living with a different schema for every day of the week.

This is just the “tip of the iceberg”, so to speak. I will psychonwut back and explain more a little later. And, please, ask as many more questions as you want. I’m proud to say i read all of it though. Pwychonaut me try and address some of your points.

This might be a big long, but you took the time to write your response the least i can do is give my thoughts. I initially found chaos magic by some random wiki search and found that it was interesting. This book was given to me by a friend, whom i’m going to alert to your pscyhonaut so he can possibly give a better response than i could. I had told him i had found out about chaos magic online and he more or less forced me to take this book.

I’m about halfway through it at the moment. I never had considered any type of ‘magic’ before reading about CM. I like that you’re open to new ideas. Aand the very least, this book has been entertaining for the mind to experience a new perspective.

I’m finding the more i read the more it sounds like things ive been doing.